tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6366962561146992018.post8685036025709175373..comments2024-03-28T23:38:20.680+10:00Comments on A Galaxy In Flames: Horus Heresy Plastic Kits: Positive or Negative?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6366962561146992018.post-35105587795911850922015-11-04T22:26:36.236+10:002015-11-04T22:26:36.236+10:00Fantastic. I live in a little country down south i...Fantastic. I live in a little country down south in Africa. Yup, and we have 40K fanatics. It has come to a stage where a lot of the guys started playing xwing (I collected and then sold mine) time issues :). <br /><br />A lot of the table top gamers have been interested in other gaming systems as GW is just getting to expensive. The young blood cannot afford it and plenty just sell 2nd hand. Our currency is 15:1 (Euro), 13:1 (Dollar) and 21:1 (Pound). You do the maths. Thus a knight will cost me around R2000.00. The minimum wage for a gardener in South Africa is R2607.00 (Basic)<br /><br />I collected most of the Horus Legacy books and I am ecstatic that the new box set has been created (R2250.00). I'm not that good playing the game, but I enjoy the painting and kit bashing. I certainly hope GW wakes up and continues with the Horus Heresy, but they need to realize that not all fans can afford their prices.<br /><br />Oh, and I hope Dorn returns in the 50K series 10 years from now :)<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />MAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12882059494463458374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6366962561146992018.post-65204870151616690362015-07-30T09:32:58.086+10:002015-07-30T09:32:58.086+10:00Pretty much echoing my feelings mate. Let's ju...Pretty much echoing my feelings mate. Let's just hope they don't cock it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07904465965003296427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6366962561146992018.post-36993598845909508772015-07-30T07:12:08.338+10:002015-07-30T07:12:08.338+10:00I must say that I haven't read the two last Sp...I must say that I haven't read the two last Space Marine codexes nor the CSM ones, so I'm not familiar with the fluff of the new units, but according to Lexicanum the name of the "space marines inside space marines" comes from the legions Centurions, so it would be hard to justify its presence in that era. The razorback, as I've said, has been always stated as a post-heresy creation, and including it would mean they would have to include it also with the CSM codex. If GW wanted to sell more razorbacks, they could have retconned its fluff way before to let chaos players buy it, so I want to think they will keep it as it is now. Hunters and stalkers fluff is completely foreign to me, so I can't say much, but I don't think much different from Amy Clark, although maybe I should read more about them to have a proper opinion.<br /><br />As for mutilators, obliterators, heldrakes and other chaotic vehicles and monsters, it is entirely possible that they end up included in the final stages of the heresy, as the traitor legions would have already embraced chaos, and therefore warped units (pun intended) might start to appear in its ranks. I would like to see how the legions turn progressively to chaos troughout the heresy, so demonic and warp related units being added would be fine to me, always trying to not screw previous fluff without a good reason outside of selling more, and trying to keep the game balanced (although this also depends on players, but now it's not the time to talk about it).<br /><br />In the end, the best we can hope for is that GW doesn't interfere too much with the Heresy and leaves it in FW hands, for the sake of the Heresy,the fluff, our sanity and our health (some players might get an aneurysm from pure nerd rage).Elzenderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00210688536564683607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6366962561146992018.post-31250746105308932692015-07-30T00:28:07.202+10:002015-07-30T00:28:07.202+10:00Hey, they're all valid hopes you have there! I...Hey, they're all valid hopes you have there! I do doubt any other early MK's due to the complicated nature of MK II and III armour, I think the mold upkeep would be too high to justify mass production of those kits in plastic. Which I will add is really disappointing as I love those armour MKs the most :(<br /><br />GW has messed with their own fluff so much in the last few years (we aren't talking changing Rogue Trader era stuff, we are talking the Newcrons, Draigo etc) that I have a very real fear that they will shoehorn in some newer units. It's like how they used to add things in the old days, once upon a time they would say "this is a newly rediscovered STC" now however, they don't even bother, they just pretend said units were always there (centurions, hunter, stalker, mutilators, helldrakes etc)<br /><br />If it's stand alone, fine, all good, they can treat it like space hulk, a 30k game with useful minis, or, they can go for a true 30k starter set and leave it at that. Either of those and I'll be pretty happy, but stray too far and I think there might be some nerd rage. I simply don't know.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07904465965003296427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6366962561146992018.post-78576866871611635542015-07-30T00:20:14.846+10:002015-07-30T00:20:14.846+10:00As I said above, they miss the point... Every. Dam...As I said above, they miss the point... Every. Damn. Time.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07904465965003296427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6366962561146992018.post-57390698557048009482015-07-30T00:18:09.727+10:002015-07-30T00:18:09.727+10:00Haha a gateway drug to Heresy. Reminds me of the f...Haha a gateway drug to Heresy. Reminds me of the fake anti-drug memes "I once injected the Marijuanas, now I'm a quadruple amputee hillbilly". I once brought some plastic marines, next thing I knew, I had collected 5 Primarchs and sold a kidney to fund my Thousand Sons.<br /><br />Once I get back from Inferno (Tuesday next week I should be home) I will definitely check in on your blog mate. Don't be worried about being a bit lax on the updates, this blog has 8 contributors and we can still take weeks to update!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07904465965003296427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6366962561146992018.post-25368673031528239712015-07-30T00:08:17.542+10:002015-07-30T00:08:17.542+10:00Everything you said sounds quite possible, and I m...Everything you said sounds quite possible, and I mostly agree. However, there are a couple of things that I hope won't happen (emphasis on hope, not that I have any idea of what will actually happen). <br />About GW making new units for the heresy, I pray they just stick to generic models such as the basic mks, assault or heavy weapons units, leaving the special or legion specific units to FW. About vehicles, it's true that the present models are fine, but the tactical squad is even more recent and it might lose sales in favour of the new heresy tactical kits, so I cross my fingers for heresy rhinos and predators, at least. <br />On the shoe-horning subject, I have faith in FW team preventing GW to fuck up things, specially when the fluff has always said that razorbacks are post-heresy (just to talk about one of the examples you said, and yeah, I know the GW politics on fluff that prevents more sales). If the Horus Heresy rulebooks stay in FW hands, I want to think GW will leave them alone and won't start pressing to include such units, and if rumours are true and GW makes its own standalone game, then they can do whatever they want, while "fluffers" stay with FW game.<br />Lastly, about the released kits, I'd almost prefer everything as multipart to maximize customization, but I see your point about snap-fit infantry, as I admit that having to deal with +10 ten-parts grunts for every unit isn't a great perspective.<br /><br />To make it clear, all I've said are just the hopes of a stupidly optmistic heresy fan that dreams about not having to sell his kidney to get a decent size army :PElzenderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00210688536564683607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6366962561146992018.post-60366062579321381642015-07-30T00:06:59.852+10:002015-07-30T00:06:59.852+10:00Totally agree, I seem to recall seeing it touted ...Totally agree, I seem to recall seeing it touted somewhere else as the "gateway dug to Heresy" which could be good, the Heresy scene is a little quiet in my area, so getting more players into it is definitely no bad thing!<br /><br />Its going ok thank you! Updates have been slow the last couple of weeks due to real life stuff but hoping to get back on track over the weekend. Feel free to comment on anything, I'd be happy to hear you opinion on any of the things I'm working on!AmyChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12634296033837280356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6366962561146992018.post-7894312816189885822015-07-30T00:02:15.219+10:002015-07-30T00:02:15.219+10:00I am thinking such a change would be over the next...I am thinking such a change would be over the next 12 - 18 months two years. The trouble is aside from PR issues GW see it self as a model manufacture they don't think about the games its the models. So instead of fixing the game they think producing better models are the answer like our 40k sales are falling lets make better models in an new era sigh Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13329081539326266739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6366962561146992018.post-37284391912917707892015-07-29T23:58:50.807+10:002015-07-29T23:58:50.807+10:00It's all good and well to look for people who ...It's all good and well to look for people who can talk the talk, but you really want to employ skilled workers, who know their subject. Otherwise you end up with a salesman trying to change the product they are selling and then trying to sell it to customers who don't want it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07904465965003296427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6366962561146992018.post-3926190991273705682015-07-29T23:51:13.424+10:002015-07-29T23:51:13.424+10:00I know there are a lot of negatives there, but the...I know there are a lot of negatives there, but they have their positives as well, for some people, a cheap HQ and some plastic marines will be a nice core or expansion to some Resin Breachers or some Cataphractii. If GW was wise enough to keep it simple in the starter set, that would be fantastic, just a simple move-shoot-assault-morale beer and pretzel game could be great for the hobby, with the tactics and advanced rules creeping in as they learn the game.<br /><br />As for Age of Sigmar rules... I doubt it, but, a small part of me worries....<br /><br /><br />Thanks for commenting Amy, and I hope your blog is going well. (I believe it is yours, I occasionally see it)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07904465965003296427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6366962561146992018.post-70477528092809163502015-07-29T23:37:41.384+10:002015-07-29T23:37:41.384+10:00I think you’ve hit it pretty much on the head. Un...I think you’ve hit it pretty much on the head. Unfortunately.<br /><br />I really, truly hope that GW can restrain itself from meddling too much (its unlikely though). I don’t want to see Centurions and Stormtalons etc in 30k (although granted there are some good uses for the Centurions, I’m using them to make Squat Exo-Armour), their aesthetic doesn’t fit at all with Heresy setting, they’re just a bit too cartoonish. I could live with the Hunter/Stalker making the jump, I think design wise it could be explained as a development on the Rhino chassis to bridge the gap when an Expeditionary force didn’t have enough Sicarans. Or something like that anyway.<br /><br /> Nor do I want to see the sillier aspects of AoS creeping in, the “Ride your imaginary horse for a reroll” sort of stuff, for the most part society shuns us enough as it is without making us look a bit batshit to boot. <br /><br />In all honesty I could have lived without GW doing plastic Heresy stuff. Forgeworld may be expensive but it comes with the caveat that you know you’re getting quality, not just in the model but in the rules as well.<br /><br />With any luck GW’s set will be a different set of rules to the FW ones, if for no other reason than it means you can draw a line in the sand and say “you keep your Centurions(or whatever) on that side of the line and stay out of my Heresy”.<br /><br />/Disengage Grumpy Cynicism <br />AmyChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12634296033837280356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6366962561146992018.post-41146093581946982022015-07-29T23:12:30.321+10:002015-07-29T23:12:30.321+10:00Here I was thinking I was cynical! You've got ...Here I was thinking I was cynical! You've got me beat there Colin. I think that an Age of Sigmar 40k would burn too much if it was done in that way, and I think even GW isn't that stupid... 40K still makes them money, why change, unless over the next year or so there is a marked improvement to the sales of Fantasy to justify such a drastic change in 40k.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07904465965003296427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6366962561146992018.post-88236523138511669762015-07-29T23:09:16.129+10:002015-07-29T23:09:16.129+10:00I have had a look at their Job adds you write them...I have had a look at their Job adds you write them a letter saying what you can do for them in regard to salary you have to tell them what you are worth only a certain type of person can do that Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13329081539326266739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6366962561146992018.post-49308119226904138122015-07-29T23:06:26.319+10:002015-07-29T23:06:26.319+10:00GW from what i have seen have made Horus Hersey th...GW from what i have seen have made Horus Hersey their primary cash cow now my prediction with plastic MK IV plastic marines is on the gloomy side. Worst Case GW deicide to do a 40k end times Abbadons final victory and replace 40k with the age of the Scourging That way they don't step on FW toes Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13329081539326266739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6366962561146992018.post-28431053883958299842015-07-29T22:52:47.639+10:002015-07-29T22:52:47.639+10:00A lot of movements have been hinted at but nobody ...A lot of movements have been hinted at but nobody wants to put the money where their mouth is. The fact is, their former acting CEO Kirby said, and I quote "We recruit for attitude, not for skill" (a statement he reiterated in his Chairman's preamble prior to the release of their massive profit loss).<br /><br />Doesn't that tell you all you need to know right there? "Skilled, knowledgeable, caring? Pfft, that's nice, I'm just gonna hire Joe-shmo over there because he seems like a happy-go-lucky guy."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07904465965003296427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6366962561146992018.post-71929175380796898402015-07-29T22:46:03.159+10:002015-07-29T22:46:03.159+10:00Good and feasible sounding analysis, if very depre...Good and feasible sounding analysis, if very depressing. I've always felt that there should be a "Gamers buy a majority share of GW" kickstarter where the community chips in and we buy enough stock in the company to have a say in these stupid, wastefully shortsighted decisions. Word Bearerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02936871398514378326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6366962561146992018.post-19904225020282975462015-07-29T22:45:57.814+10:002015-07-29T22:45:57.814+10:00Could go either way, but I haven't been too wr...Could go either way, but I haven't been too wrong in the last few years when it comes to their business habits.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07904465965003296427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6366962561146992018.post-11088955943544593542015-07-29T22:39:10.426+10:002015-07-29T22:39:10.426+10:00I really really hope you're right.I really really hope you're right.<br />Henn Steelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04483650952375521143noreply@blogger.com